Friday, August 12, 2011

Stupid Freaking Kitchen Cabinets.....

Holy Fricken Moly....

Wow, if you REALLY want to screw with the next owner of your house take the door off the kitchen sink cabinet, the one with the cabinet info, with you when you leave...

Turns out it is NEARLY im-freaking-possible to find out where your cabinets came from.

No Identifying Marks
I've been over every inch of the cabinets looking for a manufacturers mark. I've looked inside all the cabinets, the drawers, the tops of the cabinets...nothing...Arrrrrrrrrrrgh!

The Search For Matching Cabinets
As a commenter suggested I also thought that the cabinets MUST be from one of the local Chinese cabinet shops.

I set out one morning recently (carrying one of the cabinet doors with me) heading to the biggest and well known cabinet shop Sincere Plumbing. This is probably the biggest and nicest shop in the area. I was sure that this is where the PO got the cabinets, this was going to be a quick trip where I could get the replacement cabinets I needed no muss, no fuss.... No joy, they have a ton of cabinets but no one there could remember then ever carrying a style or color exactly like what I have.

Craaaaaaap!
Next I headed out to Granite Expo, a place similar to Sincere in style. There they did not have the cabinet style or color...dang...

That exhausted my knowledge of 'nice' Chinese cabinet shops...

Since they are across the street from each other I stopped into the Home Despot to see if I could find a match...Checked out the in stock cabinets...no joy. I actually got a kitchen cabinet specialist to help me. Schockingly enough she was helpful and knowledgeable. Home Despot did not carry the exact door design in any of their lines nor did they have a color that was a match. Kraftmaid cabinets has a color called cranberry that was close...

Right down the street from Home Despot is a cabinet place (I think its called AAA Cabinet or something like that that works out of a warehouse with a hand lettered sign they set out...what the heck, might as well try them.... No joy, no color that was close and no door style that matched exactly.

I headed off to a place in East Oakland next. This place only had a couple of different styles and again no joy...

I stopped at two other places in East Oakland that appeared to be selling cabinets...no sign, nothing written in English, stores in weird back alleys....shady....no joy...

To the InterWebs! After doing a search it looked like Lowe's in stock cabinets in a color called Merlot might be an exact match! Either that it looked like one of the lines they carried (that home despot doesn't might be a match) I was stoked, it made sense that the PO would of used an in stock cabinet. The PO seemed to of bought just about everything in the house from Home Despot...

Combining a run out to Harbor Fright I stopped at a Lowe's....no joy on the in stock cabinet..not raised panels and the color was not exactly right.

After MUCH waiting I got a Lowe's kitchen specialist to take a look a the door I'd been carrying around. No joy either! They had a finish in their Diamond Reflections line that was close but not exactly correct... But they had no matching door style. Online it looked like the Halston door in their Burgundy finish was a complete match... No joy.

Arrrrrgh! I think I've blown through all my easy options...I would of sworn the PO would not of paid real money to have a real cabinet shop make him cabinets...but what other choice is there?

What I Learned About Chinese Cabinet Shops
They all seem to carry the same stuff pretty much. Like there is one or two factories churning out the stuff.
Unless you speak fluent Chinese and love to haggle stick to the two bigger shops that actually have the prices for cabinets listed.
Everyone tells you that the doors are made out of Maple!
The hinges are bad copies of quality units...the hinges look like they won't last very long.
Cabinet quality was somewhere between in stock at one of the big box stores and semi-custom cabinets ordered from the same big box store.
They don't make right angle corner wall cabinets!! None of em! They just make the angled corner cabinet.
They only come in 36" high versions.
If I could be convinced that they wouldn't sell destruct they are probably a good value.
LIMITED choice of options in cabinet types.

Help Me Find My Cabinets!
I think what I'm left to do now is to go around to every single cabinet shop in the area and show them the door and say, 'does this look like something you make?'

There's got to be a better way! Somebody help me figure this out please! A super fabulous Chez Neumansky 3.0 themed prize to the person who comes through.

Look at this shot. The Chinese place don't seem to have options like the glass doors our the open shelves shown here.
 One thing that was throwing people off was the quality of the hinges used in the cabinets. The hinges are Ferrari Brand (made in Italy). Which is apparently much nicer than any of the hinges you'd get at one of the Chinese cabinet shops.
 But seriously, if these are semi-custom cabinets why in gods name would the PO of used these dead end cabinets?
 The color is another thing throwing people off. Its really, uh, wine colored..like the end of a cork after you pull it out of a bottle of Merlot or something.
Here is a close up of the door.
The doors are also heavier-denser than the doors of similar size that the Chinese cabinet shop folks kept saying was Maple.

Here's a close up of the door edge profile.

What seems to be throwing the most people is the edge profile of the door. Its got like a tapered edge that I have literally not seen ANYWHERE else so far....

If we can't figure this out then I don't know what else to do. We really want to put in the 6" wider stove...but we can't do that without replacing the base cabinet to the right and the two upper cabinets above the stove...

Dang, its not like we have to money to redo the kitchen now anyways....

Arrrrgh!

I'd really love any suggestions as to how to solve this mystery.

UPDATE:
One, I forgot to say that the cabinets are 42" tall...which means none of the big box in store cabinets or the Chinese cabinet shops will have a matching cabinet. They all top out at 36"

Two, I think Tish may be onto something.
Costco sells a brand of cabinets called 'All Wood Cabinetry' that is looking promising.
They sell them in 42" heights they have a style that looks like its the same.
But not a color....maybe I have a discontinued color?
I sent them an email with a link to this post begging them to take a look...hopefully they will and I will get some good news!

UPDATE 8-16-11:
Daaaaang, just heard back from the costco cabinets people and they say nope, cabinets aren't ours!

15 comments:

Tish said...

I wonder if they could be from Costco or what's that membership only place that has mostly furniture and home supplies? They have infomercials on quite a bit and you can get a free day pass before you join. Argh, can't think of the name.

The MadScientist said...

Ahh good thinking Tish!

Costco cabinets! That'd be right inline with how the PO seemed to do things...that could explain how they are 'kinda' nice cabinets but are still sorta bassakwards...

To the interwebs!

kbb said...

Try Rex Custom Cabinets near the Fruitvale BART station.

Lori R. said...

I've looked through some of my catalogs and the Bordeaux finish from Armstrong Cabinets may be a match. Don't know about the door style. I found a similar style in the Wellborn Cabinet catalog and the Valencia style in the Medallion Cabinetry catalog.

Old Hous Lover said...

Have you tried speaking to nearby neighbors about the cabinets, maybe the PO mentioned what brand they were or where they were getting them from? If you can't find the brand or the seller, could it be possible to rearrange the cabinets that are there to give you the space for the new range? Or would it be possible to replace the doors/drawer fronts on a bank or section of cabinets in something contrasting but not try to be exact?

The MadScientist said...

Old Hous,
That's an idea I'll see if the neighbors can remember where he got them...though I don't think the PO interacted with the neighbors at all...

Existing cabs can not be made to work with the new bigger stove unfortunately...we could do purposefully contrasting I guess...

Anonymous said...

What about an online cabinet place with a BTO feature. If you can find one that matches the unique profile of the edge, maybe you can get it unfinished. Ask for wood scraps so you can match the color, then stain it by hand to match.

-Heather

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. Is it possible to contact the PO in some way? Maybe through their listing agent.

If everythig else is from Home Depot, you can bet the PO didn't put any money into semi-custom cabinets. As one commenter points out, it's very possible that these are discountinued cabinets the PO got on the cheap. Or, they could have been a semi-custom job that the homeowner they were for refused to accept (or changed their minds), and your PO got them on the cheap. Either way, it'll be nearly impossible to match them.

My advice: Keep the 30" range and save yourself a LOT of headache.

Anonymous said...

that membership-only place is called DirectBuy. I think they're way out in Livermore or Pleasanton. That'll waste an entire day. Just keep the 30" stove and call it a day. ;-)

Tish said...

Ah yes, DirectBuy. Drove me crazy trying to remember the name.

The MadScientist said...

Hi Heather,
What is a BTO feature?

The MadScientist said...

Anon,
House was a foreclosure, I think the PO's are hiding from creditors! So, can not contact them.

The MadScientist said...

Anons, yes it would make way more sense to keep the 30" range....
But Mrs. Madscientist really, really, loves it...plus we already own it soooo....

I doubht we have enough common sense to not install the 36" range...

The MadScientist said...

Old Hous,
No joy, none of the neighbors can remember the PO talking about the cabinets...actually it doesn't appear that the PO talked to the neighbors EVER!

Anonymous said...

They are Merlot cabinets from kitchen classics from LOWES I have the same ones.