And Now The Hard Work Begins Part 2

Okay when last we left we talked about the work that had to happen in the basement.

Now lets talk about the work that has to happen on the 2nd floor.

Converting Two Studio Apartments Into A Single One Bedroom

Here is the approved plan for the conversion.

You can see that maybe its a weird lay out but it fulfills our requirements for the least amount of work required. And I believe I can do this without having to have the tenant that currently occupies the C unit move out.

Here are some shots of the interior of Unit B.

The super sweet bathroom

The water heater is in a closet in the bathroom. Its an electric model.

Here's a shot of the kitchen. That's the bathroom door on the right.

Kitchen from the doorway looking in.

This unit does have a working gas range, old fridge and a dishwasher!

 The main living area of the unit.

 Here is the closet that I am going to shorten to make the hallway.

The main living area as viewed from the front door.

What Has To Be Done

Windows:

Nothing!!! Hurray!!!!

Bathrooms:

Nothing!!! Hurray!!!!

Electrical:

I need to tie both subpanels back together at the meter base and make sure the main cut off at the meter base can handle the load.

Gots to add the wired smoke and CO detectors.

Need to add more outlets to comply with current codes-AFCI protected.

Need to add switched over head lights and exterior lights for the doors.

Framing:

I'm going to have to shorten the back to back closets and create a hallway.

Kitchen:

Remove it completely and turn it into a regular room.

Plumbing:

I have to cap all the plumbing for the kitchen in the walls.

I have to cap the gas line to the kitchen as its meter will be servicing the new unit in the basement. 

I'm going to keep the two electric water heaters for now. I figure this way the tenant and a guest and both shower at the same time!

HVAC:

There is an electric wall mount heater that works... I might change it out for a newer one or go with the super hideous electric baseboard heat... I don't think it makes sense to add a furnace to this little unit....does it? Or maybe a mini-split system? It does get pretty darn hot up in these little back units...that might be getting a little fancy though?

How does that sound to everyone?

Course I haven't even thought about if I need to do things like freshen the bath? It appears to be in good working order it just looks a little dated.

And Now The Hard Work Begins...Advice Requested.

Okay sooo, got the permits to start the work....cept I just seriously threw my back out and I'm not doing any kind of anything for a while....Actually I've got a full plate of 'computer stuff' to do right now so I'll be busy but still, I wanna get this work started!!!

Except I'm not entirely sure how exactly to go about doing the work.

Here's what we have to do for the bottom floor.

I've got to turn this illegal set-up

Sorry about the lack of detail on this existing drawing, doesn't show the existing electrical or kitchens.

Into this legal set-up.

But what does that mean exactly?
Windows:
I don't have to change out any of the windows, thank god.


Bathrooms:

The bathrooms are staying put as-is. Except that I will have to convince the inspector that they were installed correctly. This is probably going to entail cutting into the walls in various places so he can have a look around...I also have to redo the fan-light switch wiring because the fan and light has to be able to be switched separately. I am also adding an on the wall vanity light to both baths.

Electrical:
I'm going to have to add AFCI protected outlets to all the rooms as they only have one per now. Should I cut in new boxes and fish wire or just remove drywall?

Switched over head lights need to be added in most of the rooms and  hallways.

I need to add powered smoke and CO detectors to the ceilings as shown.

I'm moving the location of the units electrical panel to a different wall and probably adding several circuits to it.

Framing:
I'll need to add and remove some non-load bearing walls. Biggest thing I'm going to do is remove the wall in the kitchen to open it up to the family room to have a single 'great room'.

The PO also installed bamboo floor in the one bedroom apartment that I will have to pull up as its buckled, ugly and installed incorrectly.

Plumbing:
God, where to start.
The baths and kitchens are all plumbed already and I'm not anticipating having to do anything with the DWV stuff (lord I hope so as its all in concrete...).
But the water supply piping? Somehow, the hot water to these two basement kitchens and bathrooms is piped to the one, single lone water heater in the 3rd floor attic!!! I believe all the plumbing is in the ceiling of the basement. I wonder if I'm going to have to remove most of the drywall on the ceiling just to figure out the water supply piping?

I will have to run new gas lines to the new mechanical room for the new furnace and tankless water heater that will be servicing the unit.

I will install a tankless water heater in the mechanical room also.


HVAC:

Right now there is a single furnace that is ducted to heat this basement unit and the main floor of the house above. I'm going to have to untangle the ducts and separate the ducts for the two different units with two different furnaces. I've also got to fix the heating for the bottom unit which means adding registers and returns in many places..work I've never really done before.

So that's two new correctly sized furnaces and a tankless water heater all installed in the mechanical room. All of them are of the condensing type and all of them will be vented horizontally with PVC pipe through the North wall of the house. I'll also have to figure out what to do with the condensate.

Kitchens:
I'm going to have to 'un-build' these two kitchens

and then re-install the cabinets in the new single bigger kitchen.

Whats the best way to un-build a kitchen? Can I save the granite countertops to re-use them?
I'm going to have to add a ton of outlets to the new kitchen for the counter top, the frig, the dishwasher, range, MW, hood...at what point does it just make more sense to completely remove the drywall and start from a clean plate?

I Need A Plan:
I think I need to decide just how much drywall needs to be demo'd. All the drywall? Just the ceilings? The ceilings and the kitchen?? Would love some advice on that. Seems like all the ceilings are going to have to come down..between running new heating ducts in the ceiling, gas piping, the water piping, the smoke and CO detectors...

Here's my vague sketch of a plan.
Unbuild the kitchens myself. So they don't get F'd up.
Pay somone to come in and remove all the drywall that needs it and clean up after themselves.
Then I come in and do the expensive stuff to hire out. The wiring, plumbing.
Then pay someone else to drywall the place.
I hang the kitchen cabinets.
Then I paint and finish the floors. There is brand new carpet on the south side of the apartment. I would live to save it and keep it as is...does that make any sense? Can it be reasonably protected from the destruction-construction process?

How does that sound? Not sure about how much of a budget I'm going to have to hire any of this out after I pay for the materials...
Help!

And this is just the bottom unit work, still have the two units to deal with on the second floor!

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We Got Our Permits!!!

Well, we got half of them anyways! Hurray!!!

The super nice folks at the Alameda Building Dept (obvious ass kissing) called me recently to tell me that my permits were ready and that I could come pick them up!

Hurray!! Now we can get started on converting the illegal work in the basement into a single 3-2 apartment and converting the two studio apartments into a single one bedroom two bath apartment. All legal and above board!

We also got the plan check comments for the code enforcement work, back from the city!

These are the permits to legalize the back deck, stairway, and 2nd story landing, and to legalize the kitchen remodel all work illegally done by the PO.

I've read through the comments and there do not seem to be any real 'we're going to get screwed' comments. Most of them are about the deck and are questions the engineer will have to answer.

One question I don't know how to answer is this.

The engineer says that there needs to be a outlet for this length of counter top at the breakfast bar.

I mean, I can draw an outlet on the plans no problem but how to actually get an outlet into that counter area. All the options seem bad to me.

Besides the joy of cutting through the granite for the box I'm pretty sure that, that back splash is solid wood behind the granite...I don't know about cutting out the granite and then cutting into the wood framing for clearance for the outlet box? I'd probably have to open up the wall on the other side of the backsplash to check and see what the situation is. If I'm wrong about it being solid wood then putting an outlet in the backsplash will probably make the most sense.

I guess I could do a flush with the counter top outlet? But having a horizontal outlet there seems like a really, really bad idea.

Could I put an outlet on top of the breakfast bar in some kind of enclosure? Man, would that look ugly...

How can I get an outlet to service this counter?

Any suggestions?

Halloween in August!?!?!?!

Okay I admit that this has nothing to do with old houses.

Rant Mode On

I am FREAKING SICK of stores putting out decorations for holidays MONTHS in advance!

I was just at the local SafeWay and they already have Halloween decorations out! Its the freaking middle of August for Pete's sake! Now everyone who's spent anytime reading this blog knows that Chez Neumansky LOVES Halloween....but jeez, in the middle of August???

I was sorta standing there stupefied looking at the decorations and at least 4 people walked by and they all did the same thing... 'Halloween??? in August!?!?!?!?' shaking their heads in disbelief as they walked away...

I can't be the only person who feels this way?

Who else is sick of seeing Christmas decorations on sale before Halloween??

How many times has this happened to you. Its about the middle of October (when 'normal' people start thinking of decorating for Halloween) and you head out to your local big box store for some fun Halloween decorations...AND THERE IS NONE!!! All they have out is Christmas stuff!!!

I have nothing against Christmas...but who wants to be assaulted by Christmas stuff starting in October? Can anybody actually handle hearing Christmas carols for that long?

Don't y'all think it makes the holiday LESS special when its in your face for like three months?

There Outta Be A Law!!!!!!!

They can make laws about, just about any darn thing...well there outta be law on holiday decorations and merchandise!

I say, no decorations up and no merchandise out until 30days before the actual Holiday!

That would mean no Halloween stuff out until Oct 1st.

That would mean no Christmas stuff out until the day after Thanksgiving. What ever happened to Thanksgiving anyways?

City Council Members can pass laws right? Or boards of supervisors? I say, everybody emails there local representative and tells them that they are SICK to death of merchants putting out merchandise MONTHS ahead of the holiday.

I'll start, here's a link to the Alameda City Councils contact info. Click on their names to email them.

Contact your local elected official and tell them,

There Outta Be A Law!

Heck, if we can't get the elected officials to get off their duffs and do the right thing we'll make our own law. A referendum or something!

 If you feel as I do please pass this on to anyone who might be interested in the message.

Who's with me??? Anyone??? Beullar...? Beullar???

Rant Mode Off

I feel better now....

Update 08-29-11
Not a single Alameda city elected politician even bothered to reply to my email. I sent them a link to this blog post with the subject heading of 'They're outta be a law'...
Guess they're too busy to answer an internet crack pot...

Stupid Freaking Kitchen Cabinets.....

Holy Fricken Moly....

Wow, if you REALLY want to screw with the next owner of your house take the door off the kitchen sink cabinet, the one with the cabinet info, with you when you leave...

Turns out it is NEARLY im-freaking-possible to find out where your cabinets came from.

No Identifying Marks

I've been over every inch of the cabinets looking for a manufacturers mark. I've looked inside all the cabinets, the drawers, the tops of the cabinets...nothing...Arrrrrrrrrrrgh!

The Search For Matching Cabinets

As a commenter suggested I also thought that the cabinets MUST be from one of the local Chinese cabinet shops.

I set out one morning recently (carrying one of the cabinet doors with me) heading to the biggest and well known cabinet shop Sincere Plumbing. This is probably the biggest and nicest shop in the area. I was sure that this is where the PO got the cabinets, this was going to be a quick trip where I could get the replacement cabinets I needed no muss, no fuss.... No joy, they have a ton of cabinets but no one there could remember then ever carrying a style or color exactly like what I have.

Craaaaaaap!

Next I headed out to Granite Expo, a place similar to Sincere in style. There they did not have the cabinet style or color...dang...

That exhausted my knowledge of 'nice' Chinese cabinet shops...

Since they are across the street from each other I stopped into the Home Despot to see if I could find a match...Checked out the in stock cabinets...no joy. I actually got a kitchen cabinet specialist to help me. Schockingly enough she was helpful and knowledgeable. Home Despot did not carry the exact door design in any of their lines nor did they have a color that was a match. Kraftmaid cabinets has a color called cranberry that was close...

Right down the street from Home Despot is a cabinet place (I think its called AAA Cabinet or something like that that works out of a warehouse with a hand lettered sign they set out...what the heck, might as well try them.... No joy, no color that was close and no door style that matched exactly.

I headed off to a place in East Oakland next. This place only had a couple of different styles and again no joy...

I stopped at two other places in East Oakland that appeared to be selling cabinets...no sign, nothing written in English, stores in weird back alleys....shady....no joy...

To the InterWebs! After doing a search it looked like Lowe's in stock cabinets in a color called Merlot might be an exact match! Either that it looked like one of the lines they carried (that home despot doesn't might be a match) I was stoked, it made sense that the PO would of used an in stock cabinet. The PO seemed to of bought just about everything in the house from Home Despot...

Combining a run out to Harbor Fright I stopped at a Lowe's....no joy on the in stock cabinet..not raised panels and the color was not exactly right.

After MUCH waiting I got a Lowe's kitchen specialist to take a look a the door I'd been carrying around. No joy either! They had a finish in their Diamond Reflections line that was close but not exactly correct... But they had no matching door style. Online it looked like the Halston door in their Burgundy finish was a complete match... No joy.

Arrrrrgh! I think I've blown through all my easy options...I would of sworn the PO would not of paid real money to have a real cabinet shop make him cabinets...but what other choice is there?

What I Learned About Chinese Cabinet Shops

They all seem to carry the same stuff pretty much. Like there is one or two factories churning out the stuff.

Unless you speak fluent Chinese and love to haggle stick to the two bigger shops that actually have the prices for cabinets listed.

Everyone tells you that the doors are made out of Maple!

The hinges are bad copies of quality units...the hinges look like they won't last very long.

Cabinet quality was somewhere between in stock at one of the big box stores and semi-custom cabinets ordered from the same big box store.

They don't make right angle corner wall cabinets!! None of em! They just make the angled corner cabinet.
They only come in 36" high versions.

If I could be convinced that they wouldn't sell destruct they are probably a good value.

LIMITED choice of options in cabinet types.

Help Me Find My Cabinets!

I think what I'm left to do now is to go around to every single cabinet shop in the area and show them the door and say, 'does this look like something you make?'

There's got to be a better way! Somebody help me figure this out please! A super fabulous Chez Neumansky 3.0 themed prize to the person who comes through.

Look at this shot. The Chinese place don't seem to have options like the glass doors our the open shelves shown here.

 One thing that was throwing people off was the quality of the hinges used in the cabinets. The hinges are Ferrari Brand (made in Italy). Which is apparently much nicer than any of the hinges you'd get at one of the Chinese cabinet shops.

 But seriously, if these are semi-custom cabinets why in gods name would the PO of used these dead end cabinets?

 The color is another thing throwing people off. Its really, uh, wine colored..like the end of a cork after you pull it out of a bottle of Merlot or something.

Here is a close up of the door.

The doors are also heavier-denser than the doors of similar size that the Chinese cabinet shop folks kept saying was Maple.

Here's a close up of the door edge profile.

What seems to be throwing the most people is the edge profile of the door. Its got like a tapered edge that I have literally not seen ANYWHERE else so far....

If we can't figure this out then I don't know what else to do. We really want to put in the 6" wider stove...but we can't do that without replacing the base cabinet to the right and the two upper cabinets above the stove...

Dang, its not like we have to money to redo the kitchen now anyways....

Arrrrgh!

I'd really love any suggestions as to how to solve this mystery.

UPDATE:
One, I forgot to say that the cabinets are 42" tall...which means none of the big box in store cabinets or the Chinese cabinet shops will have a matching cabinet. They all top out at 36"

Two, I think Tish may be onto something.
Costco sells a brand of cabinets called 'All Wood Cabinetry' that is looking promising.
They sell them in 42" heights they have a style that looks like its the same.
But not a color....maybe I have a discontinued color?
I sent them an email with a link to this post begging them to take a look...hopefully they will and I will get some good news!

UPDATE 8-16-11:
Daaaaang, just heard back from the costco cabinets people and they say nope, cabinets aren't ours!

KnifeCatching 1336 Sherman St.

Read This:The following review is just my opinion and only my opinion I am not a professional house appraiser or inspector and I am not a structural engineer. The opinions expressed in this review are based on my own inspection of the property, the publicly available facts from aggregator sites such as Redfin and Zillow and the online permit database for the city of Alameda. I am not responsible for incorrect or missing data that appears in these sources. In fact, its probably best that you just ignore everything you read here as the lunatic ravings of an unbalanced mind.

KnifeCatching 1336 Sherman St.
Up for review today is 1336 Sherman St. which has the official specs of being a 5-2 of 2475 sq ft on a 7500 sq ft lot built in 1883 on sale for the low, low price of 1.275M.

To be honest we where interested in this house because on paper its practically the exact same house as Chez 3.0....and man, does that mean Chez 3.0 is worth 1.275M????  I wish.

Here's the HBR page of the place with super fab photo's and what not.

In keeping with this new 'kindler gentler' thing I'm doing I'll start out with the good.

The Good
The house is gorgeous. The outside looks like its been freshly painted. Its got a turret!! Hurray!!!
The grounds look amazing (what there is of them).
The woodwork on the inside is unpainted! The main floor is really gorgeous with all that unpainted woodwork. There are two fireplaces with original looking tile and very fancy mantles.
The kitchen looks like its been recently redone and it is of a good size.
There is a HUGE 3 car garage in the backyard.
Its in a great neighborhood on a tree lined street. Jealous of the tree-linedness of that block of Sherman.
Its in the Franklin school district two blocks away from Franklin School and Park.
BIG attic for I guess storage...or expansion space.
Decent sized basement area with a full bath.

What The Permit Record Tells Me
Kitchen Remodeled in 95 with permits.
Looks like an elec service upgrade was done in 89 but finaled in 98?
New roof in '06.
Sidewalk work done in '07.
3-car garage built with permits in 07, permits finaled in '10...
Hey, new furnace in '11.

The Odd
That kitchen looks like its waaaaaaay newer than 95. Look at the pictures, does that look like a kitchen that is over 15yrs old?

I love old houses, but the main level of this place is just sooooo cut up into little rooms...I think its actually the most cut up of any old house I've seen. It all looks original, and the house would of always been a grand home so the little tiny rooms on the main floor just seem kinda odd to me. The small room theme is also going on on the second floor. There might be 5 bedrooms but none of them are what you'd call, generous.

No central heat on the 2nd floor? The one with all the bedrooms? The furnace is new but there are no heating ducts to any of the rooms on the 2nd floor. There appears to be just one register in the hallway!?!?!?

No master bedroom-bath?

The place really has no back yard. Its all either driveway or garage. There is a nice little deck off the kitchen but still...no yard. Its all up front.

The Bad
The Realtor showing the house told me that it had a 3/4 foundation replacement? Which she told me meant that 3/4 of the foundation had be replaced. I checked the permit record and this does not show up there anywhere....So....either the Realtor was 'mistaken' (see kinder gentler) or the work was done without permits or somehow a big, huge, expensive, job like this isn't on the permit record.

It would also appear that the basement is finished as living space with a full bath, illegally as I can not find any permit record for that.

This last comment might seem kinda anal to some folks but... Take a look at the picture of the front of the house. That concrete retaining wall looks pretty brand new no? Count how many steps up from the sidewalk. I count 5 yet there is no handrail? That's officially unsafe by the building codes.

 I didn't measure the retaining wall but I'd guess that its at least three feet high. There's no fence around it! I saw that and the first thing I thought of is, WOW how unsafe. It's the only decent sized patch of grass on the lot which means kids are going to want to play on it...Your toddler takes a step over that edge and wow, that seems like a long way down, and that its going to end badly.

Conclusion
Not that my opinion matters but...

Don't you think that for basically 1.3M that the place would have a master bedroom and bath?
That there would be central heat up to the bedrooms? That there wouldn't be possible illegal construction issues with the basement and kitchen?  That the house could still possibly be on brick?

Someone called this house 'turn-key' in an earlier comment but I honestly don't see it that way. We are not of the socio-economic group that can afford a $1.3M house but we have lots of friends who are. No way the wives aren't going to want their own master bedroom retreat...or not have central heat through out the house.

Now the attic is being billed as having 'expansion potential' and that would probably be the logical place for the master retreat. That's not going to be cheap to do...especially on a house that is already costing almost $1.3M. Beside the costs of finishing the space as a higher end master retreat I'd bet that there are going to be serious hidden costs in retrofitting the structure to carry the new load safely..

Soooo, very pretty house inside and out, not turn-key I'd estimate that it would take at least $200k to convert the attic...so then is the house worth $1.5M? I don't think so, but maybe more like 1304 Morton and price it closer to $800k.

And thats the way I see it.

KnifeCatching 1330 Clinton Ave.

Read This:The following review is just my opinion and only my opinion I am not a professional house appraiser or inspector and I am not a structural engineer. The opinions expressed in this review are based on my own inspection of the property, the publicly available facts from aggregator sites such as Redfin and Zillow and the online permit database for the city of Alameda. I am not responsible for incorrect or missing data that appears in these sources. In fact, its probably best that you just ignore everything you read here as the lunatic ravings of an unbalanced mind.

KnifeCatching 1330 Clinton Ave.
Up for review today is 1330 Clinton Ave. which has the official specs of being a 3-2.5 of 1631 sq ft on a 6750 sq ft lot built in 1946 on sale for $815k.

Sorry for the Google street view shot, my camera phone stopped focusing. I've been interested in this house for a while as I pass it on Clinton every day and have been sorta tracking the work done on it.
Lots of pics at the Redfin page for it. At least in the verbiage the listing agent calls the weird quarter bath off the kitchen a quarter bath and not a half bath. The story from the listing agent is that the original owner passed away and his sons have fixed up the house for sale.

The Good
Before the weird conversation with the Realtor I remember thinking...'Wow, they've actually done just about everything I advocate for when trying to sell a house for top dollar.'

They attached a sheet to the glossy handout stating all the work recently done on the house.
The grounds were nice and well groomed.
The house was freshly painted inside and out.
The floors were redone.
They freshened the kitchen by replacing the flooring and cabinet handles and repainting the cabinets. The kitchen was very nice.
Pull-down ladder and storage in the attic.
The house is in a great neighborhood like three blocks from Franklin School/Park.
Great front yard for Halloween and nice street trees!

The house literally gleamed it was super pretty. I wish that I had my camera with me as the shower stall in the master bath had this hilarious nautical theme.

There is a cute little balcony off the master bedroom that I bet is nice to relax at.

Two full baths on the second floor so you don't have to share with the kids.

Large backyard area and good sized garage-workshop. There were a couple of super cool looking old woodworking tools in there that looked like industrial art. Lots of old cracking asphalt in this area that looks fugly to me. What I thought was funny is that they had taped pictures of what the wood shop could look like if it was turned into living space on the walls. I hadn't seen this before except we did it when we where selling Chez 2.0.  It honestly looks like they borrowed that idea from us.

They had a binder of inspections and estimates for work needed.

Overall I was very impressed with the house. It's a completely original vintage 1940's home. The listing agent calling it a jewel box does not seem out of line to me.

What The Permit Record Tells Me
There are only two entries to the permit record!!
One from 1946 which is an electrical permit for adding outlets and switches and fixtures-finaled!
A permit from 1991 for sidewalk and driveway.
It looks like there is no weirdness with the permit record vs. work done.

The Bad
Its a completely original 1940s home..that can either be cute or the kitchen and baths are going to look horribly outdated to some people.

Okay, the house is TINY!!! 1631 sq ft. I'm sure this house was fine for 1940 but now...I don't know. It's sorta like the house is 3/4 scale or something like that. All three of the bedrooms are not what you'd call, generous. The kitchen is teeny by modern standards - definitely not an eat-in thing.

Vintage 1940's wiring-fuses on the upper floor.

The Roof
It looks to me like the house still has its original wood shake roof from the 40s!!! From what I could see it looks like its in pretty rough shape. I pulled down the attic ladder to peep at the underside of it and I could see daylight through cracks in the shakes in several places and what looked like water staining on the underside of the shingles. The listing agent said the roof was water tight so I don't know... The handout said the roof had been cleaned?? So maybe they pressure washed it and forced some water up under the shingles...
There was an estimate from a roofing contractor there for $7500...but I read it twice and I really couldn't figure out what it was for exactly.
The roof needs a complete tear off, sheeting the roof deck and new shingles. My experience with roofing estimates leads me to believe that doing it right is going to cost more than $7500.

Overheards
Just to prove that I'm not the only person who thinks this way I'll report on what I heard other people saying. I eavesdropped on three couples conversations that all went exactly like this.

   Him, 'Man, it sure is small.'
   Her, 'Yes but its soooo cute!'

My fave overheard was from someone who said, 'Wow every time I come here I feel more claustrophobic!!'

Conclusion
I'm really impressed with the house and the preparation that went into it before they put it on the market. I wish more sellers would do that. The house is super pretty, in what looks to be super great shape (except the roof), in a super great neighborhood.

Okay I haven't talked about it yet but now's the time....

I don't understand how they came up with that price?
$815k...for 1631 sq ft???  1304 Morton is almost twice that size on sale for $75k more...
another house sold in that neighborhood for that exact same amount yet it is more than twice the size.
Like, what are the comps they used? Does it have an ice cube's chance in hell of appraising for that amount?

I don't understand who the target market is for this house.
Honestly, the house seems too small for a modern family. A couple parents and one kid, and use the other bedroom as a home office? Even then the place is basically packed. You'll have to use the dining room as a dining room and that just leaves the decent-sized fireplace room as the family, living, do everything else room. It seems like though once the kids hit teenagerdom the place would be too small.

So, is it a $815k starter house? If the new owners don't absolutely love the house as is, any remodeling of the baths-kitchens is going to push the money sunk in vs. what the house will sell for ratio way the wrong way....

Then I thought, well, it could be a good 'retirement home' to somebody who wants to live closer to their grandkids...Older couples don't typically have the acres of crap modern families do...the house could be right sized for that with a room for the grandkids to sleep in when they are visiting. But then there's stairs....old folks and stairs go together like sardines and mint-chip ice cream.

Honestly, it seems like it a great $650k house.....
I suppose the carrying costs of the place are very small so the heirs can afford to let it sit on the market?


I think that this is the most times I've used cute and super in a review.